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Muni-Meters

Postby Jillian » Thu May 26, 2011 9:20 am

Where does the NYMSTF stand these days with Muni-Meters? They're pulling up a bunch of the old meters on Lexington and Third aves on the UES and replacing them with the muni-meters.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/motorist/meterpark.shtml says we're supposed to do this:
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A "specialty store"? For reals?! :roll:

Maybe I'll just put this on my bike instead:
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Re: Muni-Meters

Postby JohnC » Thu May 26, 2011 12:36 pm

The only specalty stores I know of are the ones I go with my wife to get edible undies (no dsrespect intended), :lol: :lol: :lol:

I've had luck attaching the ticket to the windscreen of my bike but I know it's only a matter of time ..... someone's gonna take it . :o
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Re: Muni-Meters

Postby Brad Berson » Thu May 26, 2011 12:41 pm

Jillian wrote:Where does the NYMSTF stand these days with Muni-Meters? They're pulling up a bunch of the old meters on Lexington and Third aves on the UES and replacing them with the muni-meters.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/motorist/meterpark.shtml says we're supposed to do this:
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A "specialty store"? For reals?! :roll:

Maybe I'll just put this on my bike instead:
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A big problem with this is that the ticket you'll get isn't for expired parking but for failure to display the receipt.

IOW technically you're guilty no matter what.

It is also absurd for the city to think that everyone who comes here should just know this somehow.
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Re: Muni-Meters

Postby jerlbaum » Thu May 26, 2011 12:45 pm

Jillian wrote:Where does the NYMSTF stand these days with Muni-Meters? They're pulling up a bunch of the old meters on Lexington and Third aves on the UES and replacing them with the muni-meters.



It's my position that riders should pocket their muni receipts and use them to defend a summons if they get one.

There's always a period of time during which a road user will have paid for a Muni spot, and have NOT yet put the ticket in the window of the car. In that sense, motos are no different. Now, you may get hooked on the "failure to DISPLAY" point. In that case, I'd submit a copy of your Muni receipt with your Not-Guilty plea, and also include a copy of this:

http://www.erlbaum.net/DOT-Motorcycle-Parking.pdf

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Re: Muni-Meters

Postby Jillian » Thu May 26, 2011 12:57 pm

Jesse, regarding your letter, did you ever inquire as to how to obtain the locking pouch?
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Re: Muni-Meters

Postby jerlbaum » Thu May 26, 2011 12:59 pm

I think it would be a good idea, a useful idea, and a non-controversial idea to press the city legislators to amend the code to specifically allow possession of a valid muni receipt as a valid defense for tickets. That would effectively eliminate the one vague area which remains.

One other thing: I say "my" position in my previous message, because the task force doesn't have an official position. Some other members believe that parking should be free for motos, end of discussion. While I like free things as much as the next person, I personally don't think this is realistic or fair.

That being said, there is a pilot program in NYC now called "Park Smart" (http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/motori ... mart.shtml). This program aims to set the cost of parking higher when the demand is higher. That's a reasonable idea for reducing congestion and parking demand. However, although Park Smart does differentiate cost based on the time of the day, it currently does NOT differentiate based on vehicle SIZE. You pay the same regardless of your vehicle:

  • GM H1 Hummer: 16 feet long
  • Smart Car: 8 feet
  • Scooter or Motorcycle: 3 feet

At the last CB2/Manhattan traffic & transportation meeting I brought up this issue directly to the committee and to the DOT who was presenting on the issue. DOT was definitely intrigued by the idea. Everyone on the committee and in the community who attended loved it. However, much more technology is required to make it happen.

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Re: Muni-Meters

Postby jerlbaum » Thu May 26, 2011 1:00 pm

Jillian wrote:Jesse, regarding your letter, did you ever inquire as to how to obtain the locking pouch?



Not I, but many have. The DOT, it turns out, does NOT offer them. :lol: Instead, dear rider, you are free to reach into your own wallet and purchase one. While you're at it, feel free to drill a couple holes in your bike to secure it.
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Re: Muni-Meters

Postby Jillian » Thu May 26, 2011 2:50 pm

jerlbaum wrote:I think it would be a good idea, a useful idea, and a non-controversial idea to press the city legislators to amend the code to specifically allow possession of a valid muni receipt a valid defense for tickets. That would effectively eliminate the one vague area which remains.


I think this is the best idea raised since the Muni-Meter issue was discussed by the TF.

jerlbaum wrote:That being said, there is a pilot program in NYC now called "Park Smart" (http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/motori ... mart.shtml). This program aims to set the cost of parking higher when the demand is higher. That's a reasonable idea for reducing congestion and parking demand. However, although Park Smart does differentiate cost based on the time of the day, it currently does NOT differentiate based on vehicle SIZE.


Aaaaaand they're using "dumb" parking meters instead of MuniMeters. That makes the whole program completely frozen.
You need some kind of MuniMeter that can take inputs like different categories of vehicle. I know they have meters like this:
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that can take in a license plate #, made by Parkeon. But something with a touchscreen, like the outdoor MetroCard machines, could be modified with software to do all kinds of things. Ahhhh... pipe dreams.
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Re: Muni-Meters

Postby jerlbaum » Thu May 26, 2011 3:16 pm

Jillian wrote:Aaaaaand they're using "dumb" parking meters instead of MuniMeters.



To be fair, they are using Muni meter systems -- not old-style mechanical meters.

That being said, what they would need is, ideally, some class-based parking system, similar to what commercial lots use. (You better believe private garages differentiate between a Hummer and a Smart car!!!) It has to be simple enough for NYPD/TEA to enforce "parking out of class."
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Re: Muni-Meters

Postby Jillian » Thu May 26, 2011 3:23 pm

Oh, ok, I thought the Smart Park was with old meters: at least that's what it shows on the DOT site you linked.

Anyway, a car/moto distinction would be easy. But one for minicars and megacars would be tougher. Garages usually have a "list" of models - easy enough to marker in the next SUV atrocity, but I don't imagine DOT re-stickering a bunch of Muni-Meters to make sure everyone knows where their car falls. Or putting in length requirements, since most people don't know the length of their cars, and can't be expected to walk around with tape measures.

As for a street demonstration, I think we should proceed. E79th is actually a pretty decent location - it's a 2-way street so our actions are visible. And it's in front of Bloomie's house. But I'd want to scope out if it's Muni Meters or old meters first.
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